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i don't really think al-qaeda is sending out 19-year-old college kids. the fact the bomb was so crude lead a lot of experts to believe that it was not well funded -- >> and the fact they tried to stick up a 7-eleven. >> exactly. and this did not fit the al-qaeda profile at all. >> to that point the only thing really sophisticated this week was how it was carried out at the boston marathon, but the devices were crude as you pointed out. obviously they had financial concerns or -- and they didn't have a car. the fact that they are trying to carjack a mercedes and possibly later a honda or whatever they didn't have their means of transportation figured out. >> did not the 1 brother drive over the other brother this morning? >> the latest from police was last night after robbing the 7-eleven and shooting the police officer at mit that they carjacked the mercedes they kept the person in that car for a half hour and then dropped him off at a gas station and continued on. and then one transit police officer was wounded in an exchange, and then there's a questio
i don't really think al-qaeda is sending out 19-year-old college kids. the fact the bomb was so crude lead a lot of experts to believe that it was not well funded -- >> and the fact they tried to stick up a 7-eleven. >> exactly. and this did not fit the al-qaeda profile at all. >> to that point the only thing really sophisticated this week was how it was carried out at the boston marathon, but the devices were crude as you pointed out. obviously they had financial concerns or...
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government pinses this on another country on another group, al qaeda, even, what do we do?what do we do if connection? that's why they are going so slowly, so methodically. they have to specifically find that those two young men or one of them got guidance, got funding, got anything that will connect them to that crime to another country and they are not ready to do that yet. they do not have a smoking gun. >> pierre thomas, it doesn't appear there was much chatter coming in before the attacks, but how about overall? what has the intelligence been like, pierre, tom cass as, in the last several months of international attacks in general? >> well, we know, again, that there was no specific credible threat before the boston marathon. we did an exclusive interview with the attorney general earlier this year and he talked about the fact that while al qaeda's central had been devastated and if you look at the overall terrorism pictures, one of the things that concerned him most is that you had so many splinter groups and also people being radicalized on the internet, and also peo
government pinses this on another country on another group, al qaeda, even, what do we do?what do we do if connection? that's why they are going so slowly, so methodically. they have to specifically find that those two young men or one of them got guidance, got funding, got anything that will connect them to that crime to another country and they are not ready to do that yet. they do not have a smoking gun. >> pierre thomas, it doesn't appear there was much chatter coming in before the...
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melissa: the big question, is there any indication of any links to al qaeda? >> we learned this afternoon, so far in this investigation, and they are not far into their exploriningexecploring a -- expy see nothing yet to cause them to conclude they were acting on behalf of a chechen cause. there is a life style agazine that gives them what they call practical advice like thousand build the bomb, the bomb used in this case, pressure cooker bomb is laid out in the inspire magazine, that is an avenue they will go down to see whether they are true homegrown, islamic jihadists who got their training if you will all in a digital way. melissa: katherine thank you so much. all right on money, what we need to do to make sure a tragedy like boston does not happen again. but what is the cost of that? and can it actually work? stay with us, more "money"..lia. straight ahead. eate the future.. by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand us investing billions... in everything from the best experie
melissa: the big question, is there any indication of any links to al qaeda? >> we learned this afternoon, so far in this investigation, and they are not far into their exploriningexecploring a -- expy see nothing yet to cause them to conclude they were acting on behalf of a chechen cause. there is a life style agazine that gives them what they call practical advice like thousand build the bomb, the bomb used in this case, pressure cooker bomb is laid out in the inspire magazine, that is...
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, or al-qaeda-affiliated or inspired groups when they see something like that. how do they prove it? >> first, as catherine pointed out, it doesn't mean it won't be in the future or hasn't been on obscure al-qaeda website and the nsa is going to lots of these sites and going to signal intelligence and intercepts in the last weeks that may have referred to some type of bombing and they also had access to all the video cameras that are new basically in the last decade in cities across the united states and especially in boston, commercial videos as well as municipal videos so they can see who might have planted the bomb and going to the pharmacy stores, the chemical stores, the stores that might sell improvised explosives to see who might have purchased them and the actual fragments which were nails and ball bearings, which is a hall mark, by the way of jihadist suicide bombings and those seem to have been purchased in the united states and they're going to try to find it out. and they've got a lot of tools to work with, but a lot of leg work and shoe work to go t
, or al-qaeda-affiliated or inspired groups when they see something like that. how do they prove it? >> first, as catherine pointed out, it doesn't mean it won't be in the future or hasn't been on obscure al-qaeda website and the nsa is going to lots of these sites and going to signal intelligence and intercepts in the last weeks that may have referred to some type of bombing and they also had access to all the video cameras that are new basically in the last decade in cities across the...
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we have seen al qaeda and iran plot against saudi targets. this is a new development but the idea that al qaeda in iran is not a new idea. they have long had a presence there. >> a marriage of convenience. >>> as tamerlan tsarnaev became radicalized did the u.s. miss key signals he was a threat. we will go live to moscow for more. >>> also ahead she is 5,000 miles from boston but feels the pain and shame for her family like it was right next door. in a timely fashion ojee and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact that i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. join today and find out why over 1 million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking. you've mastered monkey-style kung fu? no. pric
we have seen al qaeda and iran plot against saudi targets. this is a new development but the idea that al qaeda in iran is not a new idea. they have long had a presence there. >> a marriage of convenience. >>> as tamerlan tsarnaev became radicalized did the u.s. miss key signals he was a threat. we will go live to moscow for more. >>> also ahead she is 5,000 miles from boston but feels the pain and shame for her family like it was right next door. in a timely fashion...
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he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. this president has not designated anyone as an enemy combatant. what does that matter? all the information that led las from enemy combatant that we interrogate the over a long period of time. i want to be able to talk to him without a lawyer present to gather intelligence about future attacks that may have come our way. none of the information can be used against him in his trial. i am know worried -- a first-year law student can convict this guy -- >> with the videotape. >> with a million things. >> with the videotape. >> i am worried about having time with him to establish a rapport and to gather intelligence without his lawyer being present. >> one of the oddities of the statute, in order to be eligible, you have to have a connection to -- >> al qaeda. >> how much time do you have to find that? someone doesn't announce i'm al qaeda. >> this is the way it works. if i were president of the united states, here's what i would do in this case. i would say there is plenty of evidence to
he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. this president has not designated anyone as an enemy combatant. what does that matter? all the information that led las from enemy combatant that we interrogate the over a long period of time. i want to be able to talk to him without a lawyer present to gather intelligence about future attacks that may have come our way. none of the information can be used against him in his trial. i am know worried -- a first-year law student can convict this guy...
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two men were getting direction and guidance from al qaeda members abroad. also today, this news clear plant in eastern tennessee, the watts bar nuclear power plant returned to normal status this afternoon following what the tennessee valley authority called an unusual event late saturday night. the unusual event was a shoot-out on the grounds of the nuclear plant at about 2:00 a.m. on saturday night, sunday morning. security officer at the nuclear plant was doing a routine perimeter patrol when he came across somebody on the grounds of the plant. he confronted the individual, whereupon the individual shot at him multiple times. he did not hit the security officer himself, but the vehicle the security officer was in was struck multiple times. the nuclear plant security officer then returned fire there is no sign that he hit the intruder. the intruder subsequently disappeared, probably by boat down the tennessee river. they have not found him. and that's all just in today's news cycle. everybody freak out. there is no reason to believe that any of these stori
two men were getting direction and guidance from al qaeda members abroad. also today, this news clear plant in eastern tennessee, the watts bar nuclear power plant returned to normal status this afternoon following what the tennessee valley authority called an unusual event late saturday night. the unusual event was a shoot-out on the grounds of the nuclear plant at about 2:00 a.m. on saturday night, sunday morning. security officer at the nuclear plant was doing a routine perimeter patrol when...
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>> i think there is connections between the al-qaeda fighters as they got more radical. that is the worrisome thing. keep in mind that the u.s. has criticized russia for harsh treatment of khich ens. now, we have dhech ens attacking inside america. so the target for the chechen rebels has gotten bigger and bigger and not just russia but in this case, united states as well. >> bill: terrific knowledge. steve, thanks again. we are waiting this news conference. we expect it to begin at 5:30 eastern time. that is 12 minutes away on the clock. the governor will be there and mayor will be there, as well. we'll bring that to you in a moment. what is happening on the streets of watertown, massachusetts tonight. we have been told about the gun battle that forced it into overdrive in the dead of night. we'll talk to someone who caught it on video right here. >> we heard explosions and gunfire coming down the street. a car that almost stopped at the light but then kept going with police behind it. then it seemed like hundred cop cars coming. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates
>> i think there is connections between the al-qaeda fighters as they got more radical. that is the worrisome thing. keep in mind that the u.s. has criticized russia for harsh treatment of khich ens. now, we have dhech ens attacking inside america. so the target for the chechen rebels has gotten bigger and bigger and not just russia but in this case, united states as well. >> bill: terrific knowledge. steve, thanks again. we are waiting this news conference. we expect it to begin at...
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it may turn out to be that they are members of al qaeda or something like that. but right now, based on that initial interrogation, there isn't that. and in order to send someone to guantanamo and use a military commission, the person has to be a non-u.s. citizen, and of course the suspect here is a u.s. citizen. so this kind of talk has been thrown around. but there is no realistic possibility that this is a viable option. and as i say, as a practical matter, it's really something that has failed. i'm now in the private sector. and if i -- if someone came to me with a track record of the guantanamo military commissions, i think they would be fired, you know, at the get-go. >> one of the decisions that has been made thus far is that dzhokhar tsarnaev was mirandize ed today at his initial court appearance when the judge and the defense attorney came to him. but this apparently was after he had responded to questions from investigators before he was read his rights. the administration is citing the public safety exemption from the miranda warning as being the justi
it may turn out to be that they are members of al qaeda or something like that. but right now, based on that initial interrogation, there isn't that. and in order to send someone to guantanamo and use a military commission, the person has to be a non-u.s. citizen, and of course the suspect here is a u.s. citizen. so this kind of talk has been thrown around. but there is no realistic possibility that this is a viable option. and as i say, as a practical matter, it's really something that has...
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al qaeda. >> at that time, yes. he was put in jail because nobody knew who he was he was put in jail for visa violation. what happened also in 1999 and this came out in the trial of one of the master minds of 9/11 in hamburg the three mastermind pilots of 9/11 traveled to kandahar specifically to train to fight in chechnya. at that time the al qaeda leadership told them we have enough person in chechnya. we have other plans for you. so it goes really deeply. >> bret: general, i want to talk to you tactically. i know militarily is different than operationally inside the u.s. the challenge of trying to find this guy right now if he has had training and he is, you know, basically a dog backed up against a wall? >> well, hiding is one thing. and he can probably successfully hide for a period of time. but he has got to move at some point and then he is vulnerable. they all know that they have great surveillance out there. it's a matter of time in my mind until they get him. >> bret: he may have been injured in this fire
al qaeda. >> at that time, yes. he was put in jail because nobody knew who he was he was put in jail for visa violation. what happened also in 1999 and this came out in the trial of one of the master minds of 9/11 in hamburg the three mastermind pilots of 9/11 traveled to kandahar specifically to train to fight in chechnya. at that time the al qaeda leadership told them we have enough person in chechnya. we have other plans for you. so it goes really deeply. >> bret: general, i want...
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they say the suspects have support from al-qaeda members in iran. they say the plot was in the planning stage but not imminent. u.s. officials say the plot has no connection to the boston bombing. for more information go to greta wire.com. we are back in two minutes. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. yes, it is. (announcer) scottrade knows our and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading. their quick trade bar lets my account follow me online so i can react in real-time. plus, my local scottrade office is there to help. because they know i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) scottrade. voted "best investment services company." [ male announcer ] a car that c
they say the suspects have support from al-qaeda members in iran. they say the plot was in the planning stage but not imminent. u.s. officials say the plot has no connection to the boston bombing. for more information go to greta wire.com. we are back in two minutes. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is...
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he learned about how to do this from an al qaeda magazine. how simple it would be to do this. so does that strike you as being someone that would work more as a lone wolf? even though these were -- at least these two devices were strategically placed not that far apart? >> well, unfortunately right now, i mean, it just -- just about every case i was involved in, whether it was a lone wolf or people acting, you know, in small groups or whatever, the internet played a part in it because there is so much information both in terms of radicalizing people and teaching them these skills that, you know, before they had to travel to learn. now it's available on the internet. and i'm not -- i'm not saying that leaning toward the fact that this is an islamic-type event. i'm just saying the internet plays a factor in just about every terrorism case the fbi sees nowadays. >> what do you think about the initial reports we were hearing about certain suspicious packages or potentially other devices that were found? and now today that's all been walked back? should we be more suspicious anding
he learned about how to do this from an al qaeda magazine. how simple it would be to do this. so does that strike you as being someone that would work more as a lone wolf? even though these were -- at least these two devices were strategically placed not that far apart? >> well, unfortunately right now, i mean, it just -- just about every case i was involved in, whether it was a lone wolf or people acting, you know, in small groups or whatever, the internet played a part in it because...
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when we manhunted al qaeda, i look at it more of a smaller group. there was not a lot of intelligence that came out. not a lot push about it. so i see this more probably as a very small group or cell. because the larger the group gets, the more chance you get to get information out. >> i have got to jump in. secretary of state john kerry is speaking now. let's listen in. >> and the rights of people are represented in many different ways. i ploebl stand here today to release again our human rights report. i want to thank -- i'm glad to be here with assistant secretary as we present this year's human rights reports. these reports send a very clear message that all governments have a responsibility to protect universal human rights. and they helped to blaze a path forward -- >> we're going to break into this. they're going over the annual human rights report. if he does make comments about the situation, we will obviously jump back in. i want to go back to you and ask the mayor what his gut instinct was. we have looked at social media pages. they had s
when we manhunted al qaeda, i look at it more of a smaller group. there was not a lot of intelligence that came out. not a lot push about it. so i see this more probably as a very small group or cell. because the larger the group gets, the more chance you get to get information out. >> i have got to jump in. secretary of state john kerry is speaking now. let's listen in. >> and the rights of people are represented in many different ways. i ploebl stand here today to release again...
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they get al qaeda. >> yeah. >> and what happens is al qaeda has this process, this gentle persuasion where they believe that they are really -- they convince themselves. i mean, it's not brainwash. they convince themselves. once they start inculcating them, you know, khalid shaikh mohammed said it, that the most important thing to be a member of al qaeda was not whether you could speak a foreign language, military training, your ability to shoot a gun, or make a bomb. the most important thing was your willingness for self-sacrifice. that's how you get in. and that's what they've built that cult on. now, in the last few years, it's diminished with -- diminished with -- because we diminished al qaeda and bin laden. so it's diminished but it's not gone away. >> let me go back to roger cressi because we don't want to generalize on here. i like to find patterns. it's easier if you can figure out what is going on and everything being phenomenal and chaotic, you'd like to think -- when people are willing to kill people by the numbers, lots of people, it's usually a deep religious thing, lik
they get al qaeda. >> yeah. >> and what happens is al qaeda has this process, this gentle persuasion where they believe that they are really -- they convince themselves. i mean, it's not brainwash. they convince themselves. once they start inculcating them, you know, khalid shaikh mohammed said it, that the most important thing to be a member of al qaeda was not whether you could speak a foreign language, military training, your ability to shoot a gun, or make a bomb. the most...
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a lot of things they affiliated with al qaeda oren couraged by al qaeda or whatever. have brought off or tried to bring off the united states. and some of these have ludicrously been labeled workplace violence. hassan was giving lectures to fellow soldiers about how he was on jihad. when the report gone written up it was all workplace violence. and the people who were wounded aren't getting purple hearts because it was workplace violence. so the u.s. government is sort of slow times if it doesn't fit the narrative to come up with a solution that suggests war on between us and the terrorists, particularly islamist terrorists may still be on. but i don't know if this is part of that. >> you made i good point. patriots day in boston. it wasn't because it was april 15th, tax day. >> no. >> it would have brought the militia idea, tax day, something people were hoping for. >> it gives rise to patriots day. they move it around to have it on a monday. this is america's fight for freedom. this is not just a regular marathon somewhere in the u.s. >>> ambassador woolsy, we want
a lot of things they affiliated with al qaeda oren couraged by al qaeda or whatever. have brought off or tried to bring off the united states. and some of these have ludicrously been labeled workplace violence. hassan was giving lectures to fellow soldiers about how he was on jihad. when the report gone written up it was all workplace violence. and the people who were wounded aren't getting purple hearts because it was workplace violence. so the u.s. government is sort of slow times if it...
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al-qaeda has continued to try and keep what hold in the chechen but never. known john from what i've been hearing in the news it doesn't really seem like u.s. intelligence agencies have previously been evaluating the chechen republic as a hotbed for american enemies obviously you're saying that al qaeda has been recruiting there won't live fact that these two men came from the surrounding area change the americans government's attitude toward the region and more specifically its military focus. well how well the u.s. government reacts and how the military react certainly isn't something that. i have any real insight into i would say that since the collapse of the soviet union december one thousand nine hundred one the united states has continued to deal with russian issues based on its old cold war paradigm and to a large degree the us regionally came out in support of the chechen cause for independence it was the enemy of my enemy is my friend paradigm and the russians continue to be perceived as inherently bad inherently evil if you will going back to the
al-qaeda has continued to try and keep what hold in the chechen but never. known john from what i've been hearing in the news it doesn't really seem like u.s. intelligence agencies have previously been evaluating the chechen republic as a hotbed for american enemies obviously you're saying that al qaeda has been recruiting there won't live fact that these two men came from the surrounding area change the americans government's attitude toward the region and more specifically its military focus....
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al qaeda's playbook. documents obtained from osama bin laden's secret compound revealed he'd been urging followers to derail a train in the u.s., to kill passengers. >> and, pierre, the looming question -- any connection to boston at all, that we know of? >> i checked with sources tonight. they say no connection so far. >> no connection. so it appears to have been on an entirely separate track? >> entirely separate. and it shows, sources say, just how diverse the terrorism threat really is. >> all right, thanks, pierre. >>> now we turn next to the news tonight on the bombs at the boston marathon, one week ago today. today the city of boston paused at 2:50 p.m., the moment of the explosions, remembering the victims. and the latest thing tonight, we are told at abc news, that the surviving suspect has begun to communicate. abc's dan harris with that outside the hospital. dan? >> reporter: good evening. today in his room in the hospital behind me, dzhokhar tsarnaev had his first court appearance, surrounded
al qaeda's playbook. documents obtained from osama bin laden's secret compound revealed he'd been urging followers to derail a train in the u.s., to kill passengers. >> and, pierre, the looming question -- any connection to boston at all, that we know of? >> i checked with sources tonight. they say no connection so far. >> no connection. so it appears to have been on an entirely separate track? >> entirely separate. and it shows, sources say, just how diverse the...
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if you look at web sites that support al qaeda, they are celebrating this event. they're saying to the united states, you're weak. look at the united states. two of our brothers have got the united states tied up in knots costing them millions of dollars. this is what we're supposed to do. adam gadd dan, spokesperson for al qaeda, what he told everybody. the fatwa is alive. go out and kill americans wherever you find them. frankly do it without a lot of effort. neil: so, jack, just to bring my thick skull up to speed, you think there's going got to be a foreign connection, there has got to be a link to chechen group, islamist group, that these guys are not acting totally alone? >> what i'm saying there is distinct possibility. we don't know that. but that will be pretty much confirmed in the coming days. right now --. neil: but if there is, that alone, what does that tell you? >> well, it seems we have a new front because chechens haven't attack the united states. their effort has been independence and targeting russia. neil: but they got mad at us supporting russ
if you look at web sites that support al qaeda, they are celebrating this event. they're saying to the united states, you're weak. look at the united states. two of our brothers have got the united states tied up in knots costing them millions of dollars. this is what we're supposed to do. adam gadd dan, spokesperson for al qaeda, what he told everybody. the fatwa is alive. go out and kill americans wherever you find them. frankly do it without a lot of effort. neil: so, jack, just to bring my...
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here we have been over the past decade, since 9/11, trying to battle al qaeda. now we have got another islamic extreme just group from chechneya, to attack us on the home front where did they receive training and how do we stop it? >> neil: do you think when it comes to authorities pursuing this, that obviously they know more than they let on at these press conferences. that i can understand. but that there is a concerted effort to do almost everything possible to capture this guy alive. >> certainly. we've learned from his old are brother that he was ready to die as martyr. he was already strapped with explosives. whether he was ready to commit s south suicide or not that's unknown. and these are not kids. they're train warriors, individuals who are willing to die for their beliefs, and if they're willing to do that, very difficult to combat that from intelligence or law enforcement stances. >> neil: richards thank you. eric is in watertown where we're waiting to hear from authorities. they're going to update us on i imagine a lot of things. what's the latest?
here we have been over the past decade, since 9/11, trying to battle al qaeda. now we have got another islamic extreme just group from chechneya, to attack us on the home front where did they receive training and how do we stop it? >> neil: do you think when it comes to authorities pursuing this, that obviously they know more than they let on at these press conferences. that i can understand. but that there is a concerted effort to do almost everything possible to capture this guy alive....
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whether it's al qaeda or domestic. it could be a domestic. i mentioned in the lead that you have all of these coincidental attacks, oklahoma city, columbine, virginia tech, and waco. in the month of april. you know, who knows. i don't want to speculate tonight. >> again, somebody mentioned. >> bill: go ahead. >> somebody mentioned, bill, you know, that the middle east m.o. with these kind of bombs is you don't wait 10 seconds. the bombs went off 10 seconds apart. you usually wait in the middle east until the first responders show um and then the second car bomb goes off to totally maximize the carnage. on the other hand there was third bomb that was gablegd disabled by the police so maybe that was what they were planning on inflicting maximum damage. >> bill: whoever did this planned it out it could have been domestic or foreign terrorism. final question for you. people are looking for reasons here, but both you and i know, because we have both been reporting for decades, there aren't reasons for a lot of this stuff. it just happens. and, you
whether it's al qaeda or domestic. it could be a domestic. i mentioned in the lead that you have all of these coincidental attacks, oklahoma city, columbine, virginia tech, and waco. in the month of april. you know, who knows. i don't want to speculate tonight. >> again, somebody mentioned. >> bill: go ahead. >> somebody mentioned, bill, you know, that the middle east m.o. with these kind of bombs is you don't wait 10 seconds. the bombs went off 10 seconds apart. you usually...
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al qaeda has splintered. they believed they have decimated the core of al qaeda. one of the things i have sat through several briefings and when they talk about who the enemy is, they'll say to you, look, we don't know what to call them anymore, sometimes they call themselves al qaeda and they're not really al qaeda, they're just taking that as a name because they think that has significance. al qaeda isn't anymore. lot of these groups are splintered. lot of self-radicalized people and groups. >> martha, i want to remind how many people have been told not to approach their doors unless they recognize a person outside their homes. the trains have been shut down the university of massachusetts at dartmouth in massachusetts, that campus was evacuated, the suspect had lived there in a dorm, had attended that school, so the cascading effect of this all around the boston is evident. >> we're getting more and more officials may be closing in on the suspect. want to go back to abc's brian ross on the ground in watertown, has anything changed there since the heightened act
al qaeda has splintered. they believed they have decimated the core of al qaeda. one of the things i have sat through several briefings and when they talk about who the enemy is, they'll say to you, look, we don't know what to call them anymore, sometimes they call themselves al qaeda and they're not really al qaeda, they're just taking that as a name because they think that has significance. al qaeda isn't anymore. lot of these groups are splintered. lot of self-radicalized people and groups....
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but they may have had interaction via the web and the internet with al qaeda's ideology, with al qaeda websites. which in the process of radicalization, gave them targets that they would not have thought of before. and that that target became america and everything about the united states of america. >> and from your knowledge, there was a conversation between vladimir putin and president obama on friday night, a pledge of more cooperation. but the fact is, that over the past few years, there has not been a whole lot of cooperation between the russian security services and our intelligence services. >> no. and let's be honest about what's going on in chechnya. under mr. putin, there have been horrendous human rights violations in chechnya. the country has been occupied and brutalized by russian forces for the last decade and more. that's not to excuse chechen terrorism. the chechen terrorists have carried out absolutely horrible acts of terror against movie houses, against schools, but what we've seen in chechnya is a growing radicalization of the population under the oppression that t
but they may have had interaction via the web and the internet with al qaeda's ideology, with al qaeda websites. which in the process of radicalization, gave them targets that they would not have thought of before. and that that target became america and everything about the united states of america. >> and from your knowledge, there was a conversation between vladimir putin and president obama on friday night, a pledge of more cooperation. but the fact is, that over the past few years,...
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we have seen chechens fighting elsewhere with al qaeda and other extremist groups aligned with al qaeda outside of chechnya. that is not uncommon. but chechen groups, themselves, pointing attacks outside of russia really has not been their priority. we should note chechen separatist groups, there subelements of those that, again, aligned themselves with sunni islamist extremism. that's the exception rather than the rule. >> talk to us, if you can, about the profile of the suspect now on the run. how surprised are you that a 19-year-old, who apparently had plenty of friends, participated in school sports, was good enough to get a $2,500 scholarship, would be radicalized in this way? >> well, i would just say that right now we're operating under the assumption he was radicalized. i think that's probably the most likely outcome, but we don't know that. that being said -- >> even if he hasn't been radicalized -- he desired to perpetrate the murder of americans. >> that's absolutely right. either way he was a violent extremist. exactly what the cause was, we don't yet know. frankly, i don't
we have seen chechens fighting elsewhere with al qaeda and other extremist groups aligned with al qaeda outside of chechnya. that is not uncommon. but chechen groups, themselves, pointing attacks outside of russia really has not been their priority. we should note chechen separatist groups, there subelements of those that, again, aligned themselves with sunni islamist extremism. that's the exception rather than the rule. >> talk to us, if you can, about the profile of the suspect now on...
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it was al qaeda that play and an attack so we can't just say we solve the problem overseas or really pay attention at home. we have to do those and we cannot just cut back defense and intelligence budgets to give the impression we have finished. we haven't. neil: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> nice to be with you. neil: it is amazing already this week with so much of known about boston that businesses wasted very the all-time and individuals wasted little time to raise a lot of money to help victims of this attack. i am not talking just a little bit of money but close to $10 million still call them evil business?es after this. she's everything to you. but yo erectile dysfunction - that could be question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart
it was al qaeda that play and an attack so we can't just say we solve the problem overseas or really pay attention at home. we have to do those and we cannot just cut back defense and intelligence budgets to give the impression we have finished. we haven't. neil: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> nice to be with you. neil: it is amazing already this week with so much of known about boston that businesses wasted very the all-time and individuals wasted little time to raise a...
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so that means chechens went abroad and joined al qaeda-type groups. and also funds and ideology came into the chechen uprising and that's when they began their cam page of suicide bombings. they didn't ever have this in their past. chechens don't follow any of these extremist movements except for the rebel movement. and i think that possibly in his trip to dagestan, the older one was introduced extremist thoughts and generalized view of the narrative for these groups is muslims are under attack all over the world, we have to strike western powers. and we did see on his website that tamerlan was feeling great sympathy for the syrians who also are facing a heavy-handed fist right now in their uprising. >> dan, we read today in the "wall street journal" tamerlan tsarnaev nearly wore out his welcome at a local mosque in cambridge. he reportedly got angry over the celebration of martin luther king day. he even got angry at a butcher who was selling thanksgiving turkeys. what does that say to you about his mindset? >> well, it's clear looking at it from an
so that means chechens went abroad and joined al qaeda-type groups. and also funds and ideology came into the chechen uprising and that's when they began their cam page of suicide bombings. they didn't ever have this in their past. chechens don't follow any of these extremist movements except for the rebel movement. and i think that possibly in his trip to dagestan, the older one was introduced extremist thoughts and generalized view of the narrative for these groups is muslims are under attack...
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of course it has nothing to do with islam, it's an al qaeda terrorist group. but they use religious, they distort it, and they make their killers. if he goes there for six months, he's probably communicating back with his handlers, and there's still a period of interaction, that ice probably making the bombs -- >> we should let people know we're seeing military assault vehicles and they seem to be well armed. they're driving in the area of cambridge where we believe there will be some sort of a controlled explosion because a device they found. i believe it was described as a pressure cooker type of device. which was used certainly in at least one of the boston marathon bombings. that first explosion they believe was a pressure cooker device. my apologies for interrupting. >> they're going to disrupt that device, they're going to use the bomb technicians from fbi or the massachusetts state police, they're going to disrupt it. atf has bomb technicians there as well. they've been i'm sure brainstorming it all morning. what they'll do is set a disrupter on it or s
of course it has nothing to do with islam, it's an al qaeda terrorist group. but they use religious, they distort it, and they make their killers. if he goes there for six months, he's probably communicating back with his handlers, and there's still a period of interaction, that ice probably making the bombs -- >> we should let people know we're seeing military assault vehicles and they seem to be well armed. they're driving in the area of cambridge where we believe there will be some...
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qaeda or it was a terrorist attack, all the questions that come in the wake of something like this, i can probably confidently say that that is one that is not in the top five guesses, brothers from chechnya. if they take suspect number two into custody, they will be asking him for reasons, motives, have they been in the united states, reports now saying they were in the united states for one to two years. they may have come here specifically to carry out these attacks. that is the kind of questions they will want to ask, and the investigation will go off in that direction if and when suspect two is taken into custody, hopefully alive so we can get some real answers behind his motive. , suspectem is dead number one with the black hat in the photos. , the 19-er brother year-old, still on the run and dangerous. for those joining us now on al jazeera, it is about 7:15 in the morning in boston. all these developments took place overnight in the past six or seven hours. this one suspect still on the run, presumably believed to be in the watertown area, which is in effective lockdown. peo
qaeda or it was a terrorist attack, all the questions that come in the wake of something like this, i can probably confidently say that that is one that is not in the top five guesses, brothers from chechnya. if they take suspect number two into custody, they will be asking him for reasons, motives, have they been in the united states, reports now saying they were in the united states for one to two years. they may have come here specifically to carry out these attacks. that is the kind of...
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it was al qaeda that play and an attack so we can't just say we solve the problem overseas or really pay attention at home. we have to do those and we cannot just cut back defense and intelligence budgets to give the impression we have finished. we haven't. neil: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> nice to be with you. neil: it is amazing already this week with so much of known about boston that businesses wasted very the all-time and individuals wasted little time to raise a l of money to hp victims of this attack. i am not talking just a little bit of money but close to $10 million still ca them evil mowing your lawn isn't alwa easy. but maybe the problem isn't your lawn. introducing the all-wheel-drive mower from husqvarna. we engineered its unique drive system and dual transmission to handle hills& thick grass& and tough terrain& without losing traction or power the all-wheel-driv mower from husqvarna. challee the impossible. visit us online to enter the challenge the impossible promotion shoot. now with the share everything plan from verizon, connect your camera, alon
it was al qaeda that play and an attack so we can't just say we solve the problem overseas or really pay attention at home. we have to do those and we cannot just cut back defense and intelligence budgets to give the impression we have finished. we haven't. neil: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> nice to be with you. neil: it is amazing already this week with so much of known about boston that businesses wasted very the all-time and individuals wasted little time to raise a l...
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neil: what if it is al qaeda? if the fear that we had kept al qaeda at bay is not the case? then it changes a lot of folks' sense of security. >> there is no question, that woulding very negative for the market. we experienced a bombs in one of our great cities like boston following a huge porting event on patriots day. >> are you surprised -- so to, that and we're looking at market react, but tepidly slow, i would have expected even more, that maybe not you, what do you think? >> i think i wwuld have too. if for past 12 years or 11 and a half since 9/11 i had a sense, that there is probably not going to be a lot more of those big ones because we got moved to action but this idea of soft target, of you know, can i explode a device in a shopping mall or amusement park or a church, that idea has haunted my, i am amazed that more has mottnot happened, i hava agree m surprised it has not hi more at fiber of investors. >> so far not a panic but, one could happen? >> well, our markets have enjoyed printing of money, and a too big to fail mentality, we look better than europe altho
neil: what if it is al qaeda? if the fear that we had kept al qaeda at bay is not the case? then it changes a lot of folks' sense of security. >> there is no question, that woulding very negative for the market. we experienced a bombs in one of our great cities like boston following a huge porting event on patriots day. >> are you surprised -- so to, that and we're looking at market react, but tepidly slow, i would have expected even more, that maybe not you, what do you think?...
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that comes right out of al qaeda. they say the bam was to hurt people, kill people and cause economic damage. >> paul yashgs thank you very much for reporting from ottawa. up next, the attorney for the wife of tamerlan tsarnaev. she said she had no knowledge of the attack. does that add up? and the suspected bomber partied after the day after the attack. went to classes, went to the gym. we talk to two of his dorm mates. and businesses is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com none of us think bad things are gonna happen to us. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. an artery in your heart, it's called the widow
that comes right out of al qaeda. they say the bam was to hurt people, kill people and cause economic damage. >> paul yashgs thank you very much for reporting from ottawa. up next, the attorney for the wife of tamerlan tsarnaev. she said she had no knowledge of the attack. does that add up? and the suspected bomber partied after the day after the attack. went to classes, went to the gym. we talk to two of his dorm mates. and businesses is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered...
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this does not make them al qaeda but perhaps they sympathize or at least tamerlan did with that cause. we're being cautious here. it is a link on a page. there are number of links on a page authorities believe was tied to tamerlan. they are looking at all of this. it they're also seeing that perhaps the 26-year-old was in fact more of a leader in this. and the 19-year-old less of one. we talked about, 19-year-old dzhokhar tsnaraev coming to the country with family in roughly 2002, maybe early 2003. we can't confirm when tamerlan came into the country. it may be a separate time, actually. we also can't confirm whether these two men may have exited the country to do overseas training because that is a phrase, as jennifer griffin mentioned earlier that continues to come up with law enforcement authorities, overseas training, overnight and over the past few days. >> great point. that is a great point there, bret. thank you for adding that too because that is some of the mystery of the story. how does this murderous scheme, how does this get hatched? i agree with your observation, if you l
this does not make them al qaeda but perhaps they sympathize or at least tamerlan did with that cause. we're being cautious here. it is a link on a page. there are number of links on a page authorities believe was tied to tamerlan. they are looking at all of this. it they're also seeing that perhaps the 26-year-old was in fact more of a leader in this. and the 19-year-old less of one. we talked about, 19-year-old dzhokhar tsnaraev coming to the country with family in roughly 2002, maybe early...
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only get that when the guy in question has youtube links going to al qaeda and other extremist imams. >> bill: juan, you need to read what this guy posted on social media. i have got to governmental i seen it i want to be very sure before i leap. let me say one last thing, bill. you were right to say to broekhoff, do you want us to send troops over there? because more people, more civilians. >> bill: of course. >> bill: will die. if the troops have to invade. i don't understand why they don't see that. >> bill: i want you to do me a favor, mary katharine. >> will do. >> bill: go to tom pro-call's house and get him on the program. >> i will see what i can do for you. >> bill: directly ahead. did the fbi screw up and allow one of the boston terrorists free reign when he was doing questionable >> hume zone segment tonight. good news and bad news to the central bureau of investigation. it did a tremendous job in tracking down the two boston bombers in four days. bad news the bureau tipped off about the older terrorist but did not take aggressive action to monitor him. >> he applied for ci
only get that when the guy in question has youtube links going to al qaeda and other extremist imams. >> bill: juan, you need to read what this guy posted on social media. i have got to governmental i seen it i want to be very sure before i leap. let me say one last thing, bill. you were right to say to broekhoff, do you want us to send troops over there? because more people, more civilians. >> bill: of course. >> bill: will die. if the troops have to invade. i don't...
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is it some kind of al qaeda element that did get training in the al qaeda heartland, the traditional heartland of pakistan and the afghan border, or is this some type of plot that perhaps had originated somewhere else? we know that al qaeda affiliate organizations, if you will, are really gaining strength in syria, in iraq, across north africa. you'll remember an al qaeda north african affiliate, sponsored inspired organization, whatever you want to call it, carried that out that attack against the algerian gas plant a few months back. these affiliates, brooke, are a growing threat -- >> let me interrupt you. let me interrupt you. we want to go back to the news conference there in toronto. >> -- enforcement teams, also executed search warrants at various locations in toronto and montreal. arrested today were rahid yasser, 35 of toronto. they're in custody and will appear at old city hall courthouse tomorrow for bail hearings. as stated, our investigation and the evidence found indicated that the accused were conspireing to carry out a terrorist attack against a passenger train in the
is it some kind of al qaeda element that did get training in the al qaeda heartland, the traditional heartland of pakistan and the afghan border, or is this some type of plot that perhaps had originated somewhere else? we know that al qaeda affiliate organizations, if you will, are really gaining strength in syria, in iraq, across north africa. you'll remember an al qaeda north african affiliate, sponsored inspired organization, whatever you want to call it, carried that out that attack against...
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the al qaeda online magazine? >> wolf ther >> wolf, there are striking similarities between the attack and the online magazine article. right down to how they glued the shrapnel inside the pressure cooker and low-grade explosive powder used and inspire magazine advised western followers in the united states to actually use multiple pressure cookers and explode them in a crowded space. a lot of similarities to the recipe. we're not being told yet by authorities that there is an exact match, wolf. >> this magazine inspire magazine, it was cited by u.s. authorities, by other terrorists who engaged in activities here in the united states, and major nadal hasan at ft. hood, texas, supposedly red this magazine before he allegedly went out and accused by the u.s. of killing fellow soldiers and injuring many others. it's a magazine that, correct me if i'm wrong, run by the adam gadahn, former american, who is pretty sophisticated when it comes to these kinds of propaganda devices, is that right? >> the people behind the m
the al qaeda online magazine? >> wolf ther >> wolf, there are striking similarities between the attack and the online magazine article. right down to how they glued the shrapnel inside the pressure cooker and low-grade explosive powder used and inspire magazine advised western followers in the united states to actually use multiple pressure cookers and explode them in a crowded space. a lot of similarities to the recipe. we're not being told yet by authorities that there is an exact...
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from al qaeda elements in iran. they were saying they didn't believe it was in any way state sponsored. but iran and al qaeda not normally two things that go together. i can tell you from intelligence sources here that they have always been worried about iran hezbollah cells. cells that they believe remain in united states and the canada. but al qaeda and iran is a completely different element and we're still trying to gather more information about that. >> where are these two men from, paula? >> reporter: well, we do not have confirmation. it seems that one is from tunisia and one from the united arab emirates. i couldn't confirm the exact location from police today. they did underscore the fact, wolf, that they were not from canada and had not been here a very long time, underscoring the point, again, wolf, that this was not homegrown radicalization. we have had examples of that in the recent past. in canada we had two people that were tied to the attacks in algeria in january, but they were from canada, born in c
from al qaeda elements in iran. they were saying they didn't believe it was in any way state sponsored. but iran and al qaeda not normally two things that go together. i can tell you from intelligence sources here that they have always been worried about iran hezbollah cells. cells that they believe remain in united states and the canada. but al qaeda and iran is a completely different element and we're still trying to gather more information about that. >> where are these two men from,...
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so there's long-standing connections between al qaeda, osama bin laden, his ideology of al qaeda and a large segment of the chechnya rebel movement. and that's been something that's been known for years. so perhaps this shouldn't come as that big of a surprise to, to a lot of people. >> and of course, michael, tamerlan tsarnaev was the one that went overseas and who knows what happened in that six-month period. his younger brother is of course the one that is still alive. and it remains to be seen whether, if there was radicalization, if that took place, who the catalyst was for the younger brother, whether or not there is you know, a support system, a cell for them in the united states. and whether there are accomplices to all of that. >> exactly. a couple of those points. remember, tamerlan is also the one who had an ied strapped around his body this morning when he was found, when he was found dead. that's the indication he fits the mold of the classic suicide bomber. once again, i would county that as another important clue in pointing out where this was all coming from. you know
so there's long-standing connections between al qaeda, osama bin laden, his ideology of al qaeda and a large segment of the chechnya rebel movement. and that's been something that's been known for years. so perhaps this shouldn't come as that big of a surprise to, to a lot of people. >> and of course, michael, tamerlan tsarnaev was the one that went overseas and who knows what happened in that six-month period. his younger brother is of course the one that is still alive. and it remains...
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qaeda. we don't know whether or not this is an act of two people who were ordered by some centralized organization to do this or whether or not these are two men who decided to come here on their own perhaps inspired by the ideology and decided to try to do as much damage as possible. do you see any facts as we know them that cut in either direction? >> right now i wouldn't weigh either side. it could be that these guys were brothers and they were living together and they could have concocted this plan on their own without any direction from any overseas group or conversely they could have had some kind of a direction from overseas. they could have been planted living here for a year, plotting this out and given an order to do this at a special event like the marathon. we just don't know yet. the investigation will determine that down the road. >> all right. stand by. i'll bring in michael. you were there in the room when the bin laden operation was conducted. mike, can you hear me? are you
qaeda. we don't know whether or not this is an act of two people who were ordered by some centralized organization to do this or whether or not these are two men who decided to come here on their own perhaps inspired by the ideology and decided to try to do as much damage as possible. do you see any facts as we know them that cut in either direction? >> right now i wouldn't weigh either side. it could be that these guys were brothers and they were living together and they could have...
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there's a very strong feeling that this was a part of the story; that a group of people from this group, al qaeda, put innocent people in a position to have to do that. >> stahl: when you think about what terrorism means, this really says it. >> alice greenwald: absolutely. it's an impossible thing for a human being to do to another human being, and yet it became possible on 9/11. so, for us not to acknowledge that would be to not be true to the story. >> stahl: but how? with video of people falling, or photographs? and what about the feelings of family members? greenwald told us that she knows that some will never want to see an exhibit on this subject, but many argued strongly that it had to be there. >> alice greenwald: i have to say that we were also... i... i don't want to say accosted-- that's a little strong-- but, you know, shaken by the lapels by family members who said, "you have to tell the story. don't whitewash the story. tell it like it was. the world needs to know." >> joe daniels: so, we ultimately decided that we will include an exhibit, but do it in a way, in an alcov wher
there's a very strong feeling that this was a part of the story; that a group of people from this group, al qaeda, put innocent people in a position to have to do that. >> stahl: when you think about what terrorism means, this really says it. >> alice greenwald: absolutely. it's an impossible thing for a human being to do to another human being, and yet it became possible on 9/11. so, for us not to acknowledge that would be to not be true to the story. >> stahl: but how? with...
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i know they fought alongside al qaeda in afghanistan but not here in this country. again, i think we do have to look carefully to make sure there are no other coconspirators or accomplices and find out what happened on the trip to russia last year. >> congressman, do you have any information about possible travel outside the country by dzhokhar? we know about his older brother traveling to russia in 2012. do you know anything about any other travel by the older brother or any travel outside the country by the man that authorities are looking for so intensely right now? >> jake, i'm not aware of any of that travel and i don't know of anyone who is on to that. i know that is one thing we looked at carefully. my understanding is as of now there is no evidence that the younger brother has traveled outside the country at all. >> obviously events are unfolding and not everything on the internet is necessarily accurate but on the older brother's purported youtube account, we don't know if we're 100% sure it is his but on what is believed to be his youtube account he posted
i know they fought alongside al qaeda in afghanistan but not here in this country. again, i think we do have to look carefully to make sure there are no other coconspirators or accomplices and find out what happened on the trip to russia last year. >> congressman, do you have any information about possible travel outside the country by dzhokhar? we know about his older brother traveling to russia in 2012. do you know anything about any other travel by the older brother or any travel...
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surrounded the student that saudi arabia and al-qaeda. >> you know what's very interesting in this, the saudi national you know, the poor young guys splashed on the front payment in the "new york post," a lot of right wing chatter about a missing brown university student, might have been involved in this. and authorities said absolutely not. look, take a step back. there was an absolute burning desire to find a mideastern guy to be the suspect. and the "new york post" and other conservative outlets like glenn beck, they proved that they'll just make it up. it was such a burning desire to have the story fit the their at this that they wanted. that they were willing and they have the media tools to just start make stuff up and creating their own reality and creating their own parallel universe. where hey, it is a saudi. guess what. we decided it is a saudi. so that's the story we're going to go with because that's the story we want. if you just take a couple of seconds, imagine, you know, thank god glenn beck wasn't around on 9-11. thank god the fox news of today wasn't around on 9-11. th
surrounded the student that saudi arabia and al-qaeda. >> you know what's very interesting in this, the saudi national you know, the poor young guys splashed on the front payment in the "new york post," a lot of right wing chatter about a missing brown university student, might have been involved in this. and authorities said absolutely not. look, take a step back. there was an absolute burning desire to find a mideastern guy to be the suspect. and the "new york post"...
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these are the types of people that al qaeda and their franchises have been trying to radicalize and equip over the internet, through things like -- >> so, what is it they can tell these young men who are in america, have lived in america, what can they tell them, possibly, to get them to carry this out? is it just pure ideology? is that what it takes? >> well, they have this narrative that the west is attacking islam and they get these people to buy into it. a lot of times, these kids get kind of marginalized. sometimes they kind of grow up in a more secular environment and start to come back to their islamic roots and kind of be sucked in, you know, to this radicalism. and then we see them go off and, you know, start reading things, you know, these jihadi chat boards and things like "inspire" magazine. >> it is your sense, scott, that the older brother, the dead brother. he left the country for six months, apparently went back to russia. is it your sense that he took time, living in america since 2007, took time for six months to go to a training camp? >> it's very likely, but there, aga
these are the types of people that al qaeda and their franchises have been trying to radicalize and equip over the internet, through things like -- >> so, what is it they can tell these young men who are in america, have lived in america, what can they tell them, possibly, to get them to carry this out? is it just pure ideology? is that what it takes? >> well, they have this narrative that the west is attacking islam and they get these people to buy into it. a lot of times, these...
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at first they thought it was home grown and later a tie to al qaeda. that's one question we have to look at right now. >> evan kohlmann, i appreciate your insight on this. i want to bring in richard engel. we don't talk about the chechen conflict much. it's not our fight. share some of what you know about this region. >> i think i can verify some of what evan has been talking about. i have been on the phone with counterterrorism officials today. they told me they are in a bit of a wait and see mode that they don't know who these people are precisely. i mean, we know their names. but what motivated them and, specifically, did they or do they belong to any organized terrorist group? the suspicion, however, is that they may be linked to that group that evan was just talking about. i know counterterrorism officials are looking at this. they are operating with the assumption that maybe they are linked to this group or some faction of this group. they are operating under the assumption that the older suspect that you mentioned may have been the leader of thi
at first they thought it was home grown and later a tie to al qaeda. that's one question we have to look at right now. >> evan kohlmann, i appreciate your insight on this. i want to bring in richard engel. we don't talk about the chechen conflict much. it's not our fight. share some of what you know about this region. >> i think i can verify some of what evan has been talking about. i have been on the phone with counterterrorism officials today. they told me they are in a bit of a...
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pierre, this concern about homegrown terrorism inspired by al qaeda has been growing over recent years. but, you know, one of the things we entered no this week and this is the anniversary, the 20th anniversary of waco was some concern perhaps we'd see an act of domestic terrorism starting on patriots day and so much speculation in the hours after the marathon that it might have been some form of domestic terrorism but this is taking us in quite another direction. >> reporter: one thing we learned about this particular stretch of mid-april is bad things have been happening, the virginia tech massacre. you had the columbine shooting, as well. so in addition to waco and oklahoma city, there's been all kinds of violence, so law enforcement officials tell me that they're sensitized to all of it and you have to be and that's why it o port get intelligence and to try to be prepared. indicationno iatn monday wngtake place. there was no threat information soar twemiat would have put the alert. now, i know that they're going back and looking at seeing whether anything was discarded that they sh
pierre, this concern about homegrown terrorism inspired by al qaeda has been growing over recent years. but, you know, one of the things we entered no this week and this is the anniversary, the 20th anniversary of waco was some concern perhaps we'd see an act of domestic terrorism starting on patriots day and so much speculation in the hours after the marathon that it might have been some form of domestic terrorism but this is taking us in quite another direction. >> reporter: one thing...